Mujitsu and Tairaku's Shakuhachi BBQ

Guys,

The piece in the Tokuyama notation is a different song than Kinko Ryu "Kyushu Reibo".

Tokuyama's "Kyushu Reibo" is actually the same piece as "Yamagoe" or "Reiho" in the "Dokyoku" school.

The Kinko ryu song with the same name is in the Miura Kindo notation which John Singer is selling elsewhere on the forum. Otherwise you probably might want to study it with a Kinko teacher and get the notation from them.

Unless of course you really want to learn that other piece in which case either Tokuyama's or Yokoyama's notation will work because they use Kinko notation to write their scores.

Isn't this confusing?

Chris Moran wrote:

Tairaku wrote:

The Kinko ryu song with the same name is in the Miura Kindo notation which John Singer is selling elsewhere on the forum.

Adding to the confusion ...

Is the Miura Kindo notation rendered in an older, more complex pre-Kawase I Kinko notation style? Anyone have examples of of what is considered the older style?

(ref. http://www.komuso.com/people/Kawase_Junsuke_I.html)

It's highly stylized. Very difficult to read. But beautiful.

Jin Nyodo's is easier to read, in my opinion. Jin Nyodo took his repertoire from several different sources therefore he is much more detailed since he is dealing with a lot of different techniques and movements.

Kinko honkyoku deal with a specific set of cliches or patterns and once you know them you don't need a lot of detail in the score. You just know the Kinko way of playing tsu-re for example. They write tsu-re but in realitly it's much more complicated than that.

Jin Nyodo has a variety of different tsu-re for example and graphically illustrates them in different ways.

Here's the standard Kinko style. Miura Kindo's is similar but thinner and elongated.

http://zenflute.com/kinko.html

The piece Kyushu Reibo from the album "Kyotaku Live" is not Kinko Style Honkyoku. It is actually honkyoku as taught by Koku Nishimura. His group is the Myoan Tani-ha taken from Koku Nishimura's teacher Kyochiku Tani.
Here is the info from the Komuso.com website:

Koku Nishimura started playing the bamboo flute when he was 28 years old. He was taught by a "komuso" named Kyochiku Tani. Later, Koku Nishimura became a master flutist and founded the Tani-sect of flute players. He named the special type of bamboo flute used by himself and his pupils, "kyotaku." Koku Nishimura became a komuso and for ten years he walked around Japan and played kyotaku. He tought students from all over the world, and he has made over 2,000 kyotaku flutes. In addition to being a flute master, he was an accomplished woodcarver and painter. He had a black belt with six dan in Okinawa karate and a black belt with three dan in Kendo. In addition, he was the Honorary Director of the Ruo-yan Buddism Association in China.

Koku Nishimura's pieces most closely resemble Myoan Honkyoku. Some might say it IS Myoan, only Koku Nishimura's style.

I would suggest contacting one of Koku Nishimura's students by email. There are many in Europe and I am sure they would be glad to help. I think there is also a couple students of this particular style on this froum also.

I hope this helps.
-Prem

excellent.  You all have been a great help to me.  I have talked frequently with a lot of Koku's students , unfortunately, they all live over seas.  Is there any where that I can buy the Kinko ryu version of this piece?  I have never heard it before.  thanks!