Mujitsu and Tairaku's Shakuhachi BBQ

rpowers · 2007-07-04 23:04:23

Does anyone know where I can find notation for Yobidake Ukedake?

Thanks,

Rich

Riley Lee · 2007-07-06 06:47:51

I can send you a copy, in Chikuho notation. This would be a great opportunity to really, truly, finally learn this superior shakuhachi notation. BTW, in this tradition, it's pronounced Yobitake Uketake.
Riley

Last edited by Riley Lee (2007-07-06 06:49:02)

rpowers · 2007-07-06 11:34:38

Now I'm wondering if there might be a recording, perhaps in a volume of Yearning for the Bell that I have yet to acquire.

Tairaku 太楽 · 2007-07-06 13:46:01

It's in the Jin Nyodo recordings and notation.

But then you would have to use that inferior Kinko notation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

edosan · 2007-07-06 20:03:08

The Horror! The Horror!

geni · 2007-07-06 21:38:19

what is special of Chikuho notation?

Sorry my ignorance..

Geni

Priapus Le Zen M☮nk · 2007-07-06 23:04:04

geni wrote:
what is special of Chikuho notation?

Sorry my ignorance..

Geni

The fact that it is superior !

No actually I am also quite curious as to what makes it superior or special in comparison to other well known traditional notation system?

edosan · 2007-07-07 01:10:37

What makes it superior is mostly the fact that it's Riley's 'native' notation, and that he says it is....

But it is a pretty good system.

dstone · 2007-07-07 14:44:26

geni wrote:
what is special of Chikuho notation?

There is more than one article in the ISS Annals (forget which volume) on the Chikuho system. Riley Lee's articles are very interesting. Almost all the articles are... great books to get.

My take on the alleged notational superiority...

Chikuho: fo ho u e ya i etc... not plosive, more shakuhachi-like
Others: ro tsu re chi ri etc... not shakuhachi like, maybe to imitate koto or shamisen

-Darren.

caffeind · 2007-07-07 21:15:37

I read the same thing somewhere.

Chikuho rhythm is more legible than Kinko, particularly when there are a lot of fast notes. Tozan is also easier to read.

shashank · 2007-07-07 23:12:07

my 2 cents worth comments here...
i think notation whichever it is doesn't matter.....when all notations are used to play one instrument....
I am learning Kinko School..so obviously I use Kinko notations....so shall i say other notations (Tozan or Chikuho) are way over my ability to read and understand and then start thinking that they are inferior to Kinko notation?....but..that is not the case...sometimes I wonder, what if I hated Tozan notation...then I would not be able to read and play all those modern Japanese minyos which have all been expressed in Tozan notation....
Alas...people..could get above their schools and types of notations..and just play shakuhachi....
I think..more the shakuhachi and its notations (for me all are equally good, important and have their own place in the Japanese traditional music) become modernized, changed, such thinking in people will crop up. Beauty of any instrument is in its tradition...and it is always good to follow the strict traditions attached to a particular art and not try to modify it or change it...then it will no more have its essence.. and also not to belittle any of the accessories attached to that particular art...

edosan · 2007-07-08 11:03:41

If you are comfortable with Kinko notation, it just takes a week or so to adapt to Tozan notation,

and once four of us at the Summer Shakuhachi Camp learnt Chikuho well enough to play a Chikuho quartet
(Taihei Manzai Raku) in an afternoon.

They are all worth learning, and open doors to new music.

eB

Jeff Cairns · 2007-07-08 21:12:50

I entirely agree with edosan, in that there is value in learning many notation systems. I primarily play the chikuyusha style of kinko notation, however I also play Tozan and western as the need constantly arises. My feeling is that the kinko style has some shortcomings in the absence of a teacher. That is, there are incidences when certain things aren't written which may be a local or global adaptation. If the chikuho system imparts more information, then I think it's a good system and worth learning, especially if there is no constant teacher at hand.

Tairaku 太楽 · 2007-07-08 22:59:54

Well, Western notation is by far the most detailed and accurate notation out there. I guess that's why I never bothered to learn it. I was a professional musician for 20 years before becoming moderately proficient at reading music and then it was Kinko. I never liked the way Western music looked but when I found Kinko I enjoyed it because of the artistry. I guess I would have felt the same way exposed to any kind of Japanese notation. But it's kind of silly to argue about which notation is the best. Going according to numbers, Tozan is. Personally to me Italian is the most beautiful language but just because it might be doesn't mean that there aren't a hell of a lot more people using Spanish in more places around the globe.

geni · 2007-07-08 23:04:12

si italino e bellisimo..(ma, la done italiane sone bellisime pure;-)

Tairaku 太楽 · 2007-07-09 00:06:20

geni wrote:
si italino e bellisimo..(ma, la done italiane sone bellisime pure;-)

Viva lo foca che Dio la benedoca!

Mujitsu and Tairaku's Shakuhachi BBQ

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geni wrote:

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