Mujitsu and Tairaku's Shakuhachi BBQ

Lorka wrote:

Eeep, suddenly my absence of avatar is replaced by a very scary one.

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Geni has started a fad. He wants everybody to use that avatar.

I think the only way to market it is as a box set (either digital or CD), otherwise why put the man to work to produce the entire thing?

He may just as well produce a single album as the feeling moves him, if people want to buy just one or two albums, willy-nilly. Besides, economies of scale, small though they may be with just 6 or so albums, would make the entire thing a bargain for the buyers, whom we must also
remember is a relatively small group in the great scheme of musical things.

Last edited by edosan (2009-12-09 02:36:52)

Hey mrwuwu and Ed,

Thanks for the good points.  I mentioned it as donations because that was the original idea.  Then others suggested rather than donations, people give early as a form of pre-order, which makes more sense really.  Mrwuwu, your idea is a good one.  It is not, however, my place to decide what the dollar number would be.  Somewhere in that ballpark sounds about right though.

As for the idea of making parts availble, I think you are right Ed.  Maybe simple is best, and the set should just be kept as a single whole.  Options are good, but too many options lead us into murky territory.

Last edited by Lorka (2009-12-09 00:15:55)

Lorka wrote:

Eeep, suddenly my absence of avatar is replaced by a very scary one.

It's ok Matt. We've all been putting on a little weight lately!

Tairaku wrote:

Lorka wrote:

Eeep, suddenly my absence of avatar is replaced by a very scary one.

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Geni has started a fad. He wants everybody to use that avatar.

I remember when Gishin used to terrorize the forum by threatening to post photos of himself in his fundoshi.

Now it's becoming a viral reality.

Kiku Day wrote:

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Okuda talked about the shakuhachi in the global setting as it is happening now and as he is seeing it. He wished for his music to be looked upon in this global setting. I think he feels more comfortable this way than in the more narrow setting within ryuha and the like - which he has stepped outside of.

It's probably much better to be an international shakuhachi person than a Japanese one or a gaijin trying to be Japanese. But was he ever part of the ryuha system to "step outside"?

Kiku Day wrote:

Tairaku wrote:

It's probably much better to be an international shakuhachi person than a Japanese one or a gaijin trying to be Japanese. But was he ever part of the ryuha system to "step outside"?

No, his first step was already 'outside'

Hi Kiku
I don't mean to be provocative, but, I wonder how "outside" the ryuha system Okuda is. He left the school from which he studied and now associates himself with no past lineage, so in that respect he may be seen as being outside the existing ryuha. On the other hand, he has created his own school, "Zensabo". The members seem to refer to themselves as being "Zensabo" much as other individuals may refer to themselves as "Kinko-ryu" or "Tozan-ryu" and so on. He charges a membership fee. He publishes his own notation using his own notation system, and he holds "Zensabo" events, as well as having a characteristic type of shakuhachi. Would you not say that this resembles the beginning of a new school, in keeping with the traditional ryuha system?

seriously promising.

It is encouraging to hear that this project is progressing. I hope that some day soon I will be able to contribute my small part to it.

Ok, here is the first try to make an estimate of cost for the Okuda Box-set:

So far I have only got to the cost of recording and mastering the 60 pieces or so....which is a lot!
An excellent sound engineer, Lindsay is willing to do the recording and mastering. He charges ¥4000 and hour. After the test recording before New Year, he suggested to record 5 pieces per session, which he hope to be able to do in 4 hours.

5 pieces per session would (if we really record all 60 honkyoku Okuda knows) give 12 recording sessions à 4 hours = 48 hours
Half of that for edit and export is 24 hours. 48 + 24 = 72 hours.
20% of 72 for extra things that can come up along the way is ca. 15 hours.
That gives all in all: 72 + 15 = 87 hours.
87 x 4000 = ¥348,000, which calculated on google today 7th Jan 2010 gives US$3734.04 or €2621.10.

And then we should be well covered for extras etc....I think...
That is, of course, only for recording and mastering. But in my experience (without being that experienced really) that is the bulk of it. Then we need to find somewhere to have the CD made. The next big piece of work would be the explanations of the score. Perhaps that is something that can come along the way online.... I don't know. A great box set with all the writings would be a marvelous result of the Shakuhachi Forum getting together.... but I am pretty inexperienced here and would not be able to make an estimate of the cost to produce such a big thing at this point.
However, if we get the music recorded... at least we have that and it can be released in which-ever form that we are capable of.

Ideas?

Last edited by Kiku Day (2010-01-07 13:15:49)

Matt Lyon wrote:

Do we have an amount of how much has been donated already?

Okuda box set donations to date: $35

Donate: OKUDA BOX SET FUND

Mujitsu wrote:

Okuda box set donations to date: $35

Donate: OKUDA BOX SET FUND

Well I guess now is the time to see if this project will live or die.

Ken, would it be tacky to have the forum send out an email to every registered user explaining what is going on and then ask for a donation?

I'll pitch in too.  This sounds like good stuff.  I'll have to get some money in my American account and then I'll donate : )