Mujitsu and Tairaku's Shakuhachi BBQ

Austin Shadduck · 2010-02-26 21:27:30

There's some previous discussion of this topic here:

http://shakuhachiforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=392

and here:

http://shakuhachiforum.com/viewtopic.php?id=4389

but the first one contains a broken link and the second is more specifically about korokoro. I'm curious to know how some of the more experienced players differentiate between korokoro and horohoro. Is there a difference in fingerings? Is horohoro reserved for Meian style playing? Is there a character for horohoro, or even ho, in any Kinko scores? Any input is appreciated.

edosan · 2010-02-26 22:18:19

That link of Mujitsu's to Tokuyama's Honkyoku playing guide is whacky.

Mujitsu must be into that contaminated Bombay Sapphire again.

I uploaded a copy to a host, here: http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/836/ … gguide.pdf

If you right-click on the link, and "Save Target As...", you'll get it.

geni · 2010-02-26 22:54:18

I was looking for Barry Weiss website blowingzen.com & I did find it..only that was another line of bussines

Mike Raftery · 2010-02-26 23:05:40

Edosan
This link/guide is very helpful in learning what all these symbols mean as Yokoyama's notes don't cover all of them, another piece in discerning the puzzle that is shakuhachi notation--Arigato.

Last edited by Mike Raftery (2010-03-03 09:34:39)

Austin Shadduck · 2010-02-27 01:07:06

Tokuyama's descriptions of korokoro and horohoro are very similar... Both start with 4 and 5 shaded, although the ho of horohoro also has 2 shaded. I'm still not really seeing the difference in the trill, but thanks for posting (the guide is a nice reference).

I find that when I do korokoro with 5 shaded plus 4 and 3 closed, alternation between holes 1 and 2 produces two drastically different sounds. With 1 open I get a note close to ri meri and with 2 open I get ri. I get more consistent results by leaving 5 all the way open, or by shading 4 and 5. The shading of 4 and 5, as Chikuzen-sensei points out in the other thread, is softer and breathier, and that's what I've come to call horohoro.

Last edited by Austin Shadduck (2010-02-27 01:45:58)

Austin Shadduck · 2010-03-03 02:02:10

Here's another idea:

http://www.komuso.com/albums/Jin_Nyodo_ … hi_03.html

The description of track one suggests that horohoro is the name given to the trill in the first octave (ro range) while korokoro is in the second octave (ko range).

Mujitsu and Tairaku's Shakuhachi BBQ

#1 2010-02-26 21:27:30

Korokoro vs. Horohoro: Revisited

#2 2010-02-26 22:18:19

Re: Korokoro vs. Horohoro: Revisited

#3 2010-02-26 22:54:18

Re: Korokoro vs. Horohoro: Revisited

#4 2010-02-26 23:05:40

Re: Korokoro vs. Horohoro: Revisited

#5 2010-02-27 01:07:06

Re: Korokoro vs. Horohoro: Revisited

#6 2010-03-03 02:02:10

Re: Korokoro vs. Horohoro: Revisited

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