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#1 2008-07-30 20:07:37

axolotl
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Just intonated shakuhachi?

I have some tuning/tempering questions for the ol' blowstick.

I know that chi was (is?) often sharp on shakuhachi.  Was this for ease of certain notes, or due to the specific tempering of an historic Japanese scale?

Also--has anyone ever made just intonated shakuhachi?  Since a lot of stuff for shakuhachi is played in, basically, D minor, I was wondering if a just intonated shakuhachi would sound interesting.  This intonation would theoretically be only present in kari and could be adjusted slightly if one were playing with other people--which is probably what two players of equally tempered intstruments do anyway.

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#2 2008-07-31 20:27:36

madoherty
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Re: Just intonated shakuhachi?

Others will know better, but the tuning of chi- being high according to today's standards- was either due to the aesthetics of having equal-distant toneholes, and/or due to the tuning itself. 

One can play in just intonation using the shakuhachi as is, using meri and kari techniques.  There are many forms of "just intonation"- it is a matter of knowing how to play and tune at the same time.

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#3 2008-08-01 13:06:18

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Re: Just intonated shakuhachi?

Sure, I would say that a lot of instruments that can play in just intonation in tandem, do--the human voice being the best example.  I wonder if string quartets do this as well...they probably do.

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#4 2008-08-01 13:39:29

Jim Thompson
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Re: Just intonated shakuhachi?

axolotl wrote:

I have some tuning/tempering questions for the ol' blowstick.

I know that chi was (is?) often sharp on shakuhachi.  Was this for ease of certain notes, or due to the specific tempering of an historic Japanese scale?

Also--has anyone ever made just intonated shakuhachi?  Since a lot of stuff for shakuhachi is played in, basically, D minor, I was wondering if a just intonated shakuhachi would sound interesting.  This intonation would theoretically be only present in kari and could be adjusted slightly if one were playing with other people--which is probably what two players of equally tempered intstruments do anyway.

The story I got was that at one point shakuhachi makers started leaning toward making their flutes with a more normally pitched(lower) chis because people requested it but all the professionals complained because certain advanced techniques, such as san no oo( high strong Bb) became less viable.


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#5 2008-08-01 22:05:31

Justin
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Re: Just intonated shakuhachi?

Jim Thompson wrote:

The story I got was that at one point shakuhachi makers started leaning toward making their flutes with a more normally pitched(lower) chis because people requested it but all the professionals complained because certain advanced techniques, such as san no oo( high strong Bb) became less viable.

Does anyone have info on who atarted moving the holes to chage the pitch of chi? Was it Araki Kodo II ? If so, that means it was a professional player (one of the best) doing the moving. I also heard that there was some resistance to chi moving in the shakuhachi world. But in those days the best makers were top players.

If anyone (scholars out there? Josh? Kiku?) has any details about this, it would be great to hear.

Justin
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