Mujitsu and Tairaku's Shakuhachi BBQ

Bogert · 2009-04-12 22:33:40

Does anyone know where the song Kongo comes from?
I've found it listed under the Myoan repertoire of a certain lineage.. but that's all thus far. Not sure exactly where it comes from though.
If anyone has info, I'd be very happy to know : )
Chris

Jeff Cairns · 2009-04-12 23:51:16

Hi Chirs, I just wanted to check, you meant Kongo and not Kongoseki, right? If it's the latter, you can find reference on komuso.com. The piece Kongo has no reference there and otherwise I don't know of it.

Bogert · 2009-04-13 00:01:04

I'm pretty sure its not that piece. As far as I know its honkyoku.. not sure if its modern or koten..
I'll keep looking around. If anyone has anything let me know. Thanks

Moran from Planet X · 2009-04-13 01:07:06

Tokuyama Takashi has a piece called "Kongo."

Monty has it listed in Tokuyama's sheet music collection on http://www.shakuhachi.com under the "intermediate level" music numbered as "G-32". It is not one of the pieces which Tokuyama recorded, unfortunately, so no notes are readily available on the piece. Very likely from the Koten honkyoku and possibly of Meian origin. It is not listed in the "official" repertoire of the Taizan Ha to my knowledge.

Tokuyama is a great collector of rare versions of traditional music. Often described as "simple" I think 'deceptively simple' is more like it. It's not "sexy."

His bio: http://www.komuso.com/people/Tokuyama_Takashi.html

And his Web site in Japanese, which I'd love to read in good translation:
http://www.01.246.ne.jp/~t-tok/

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Tairaku 太楽 · 2009-04-13 01:22:08

Chris Moran wrote:
Tokuyama is a great collector of rare versions of traditional music. Often described as "simple" I think 'deceptively simple' is more like it. It's not "sexy."

I wish he would record all of them because without the recordings the notation is not very worthwhile.

Bogert · 2009-04-13 03:59:04

Actually that's where I got it from, but thanks. Yeah, I wish he has written some more about that piece and done a recording. It seems like a nice song though.

Moran from Planet X · 2009-04-13 20:50:20

Tairaku wrote:
Chris Moran wrote:
Tokuyama is a great collector of rare versions of traditional music. Often described as "simple" I think 'deceptively simple' is more like it. It's not "sexy."
I wish he would record all of them because without the recordings the notation is not very worthwhile.

I noticed that Barry Nyosui Weiss' Web site is offline. Is anyone on the forum in communication with Barry or with Tokuyama-sensei?

Bogert · 2009-04-14 03:00:16

I did e-mail Tokuyama a while back, but got no reply...

Anyway, I did find some more information while I was looking around. It seems to have been in the repertoire of Katsuura Shouzan (勝浦正山), therefore I think it is part of the Myoan Shinpo-ryu. The Shinpo-ryu repertoire is made up of the founder Okazaki Shinryu's (尾崎真竜) and Katsuura's repertoires (as far as I know).

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No-sword · 2009-04-14 08:31:58

No direct help here, but just for future googlers, the Japanese spelling is 金剛 (corresponding to the Sanskrit word vajra).

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ABRAXAS · 2009-06-16 11:33:12

Tairaku wrote:
Chris Moran wrote:
Tokuyama is a great collector of rare versions of traditional music. Often described as "simple" I think 'deceptively simple' is more like it. It's not "sexy."
I wish he would record all of them because without the recordings the notation is not very worthwhile.

The Tokuyama collection is next on my list.

Tairaku, does his notation of Sankara Sugagaki dovetail with your recorded version on Ryoanji?

I like simple. but then I am simple.

Tairaku 太楽 · 2009-06-16 17:43:01

ABRAXAS wrote:
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Tairaku, does his notation of Sankara Sugagaki dovetail with your recorded version on Ryoanji?

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Yeah, it's the only version I've seen notated or heard. But I added rhythm section.

Does anybody else know of another version?

Mujitsu and Tairaku's Shakuhachi BBQ

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