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#1 2009-04-13 22:31:29

BrianP
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From: Ocala, FL
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Inexpensive flute amplification

I will be playing in an outside garden situation soon and I need to possibly amplifiy the shakuhachi.  I won't be doing this very often in the foreseeable future so I would hate to spend a lot of money buying a "system" for this.  Has anyone had any success with any small portable system which is inexpensive and has an earset style microphone.  I have found affordable earset microphones but all of them require a wireless sytem for phantom power.  If anyone has any advice on this I would be most appreciative. 

Thanks,
Brian


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#2 2009-04-14 01:04:42

edosan
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Re: Inexpensive flute amplification

BrianP wrote:

I will be playing in an outside garden situation soon and I need to possibly amplifiy the shakuhachi.  I won't be doing this very often in the foreseeable future so I would hate to spend a lot of money buying a "system" for this.  Has anyone had any success with any small portable system which is inexpensive and has an earset style microphone.  I have found affordable earset microphones but all of them require a wireless sytem for phantom power.  If anyone has any advice on this I would be most appreciative. 

Thanks,
Brian

Brian,

I don't think you're gonna find much/anything in the very cheap zone, but try the links on this page (forum search for 'shakuhachi microphone').

     http://www.shakuhachiforum.com/search.p … 1437827420

Seems to me you're going to need some sort of matching box, with or without phantom power, no matter what sort of mic you use.

You could probably use one of your amps, on its cleanest setting.

Hope this helps.


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#3 2009-04-14 01:53:04

YuccaBruce
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Re: Inexpensive flute amplification

I use an Audio Technica theater style mic into a mixer then to an amp. It can be done  straight to an amp, but I like having an FX processor when amplifying. Those mics are about $125.00 and worth having, however you can always "buy" one as well as a cardiod mic, like a Rode
NT 2000 or any Rode for that matter, use it and then return it...you have 30 days from any pro-audio retail outlet.
Happens all the time.....but then again, you may feel conflicted, shakuhachi or not:)

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#4 2009-04-14 11:17:51

Vevolis
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Re: Inexpensive flute amplification

Brian,

If college has taught me anything - it hasn't, you're looking for a dynamic "moving coil" lavaliere microphone (dynamic does not require phantom power, unlike a condensor micrphone) and depending on it's physical output, something like a TA4F to 1/4" (or XLR) connector and just plug that into your amp. I'm not well versed on dynamic wired lavalieres and wonder about the response, you'd probalby want a unidirectional, not a cardioid polar pattern.

You may not even need the adaptor if the physical output is a 1/4" or XLR, but most have the mini xlr (TA4F; actually make sure you know which it is, could be TA3F-Ta5F, so you'd need the corresponding adaptor, the model shown is TA4F)

Here's an example:

http://www.sumakaya.com/product.asp?sku=HMMA000059

And the cable to your amp, monitors, mixer, etc.

http://ecomm.toursupply.com/cgi-bin/tsi … d=nsession

Let me know if you have any more questions. I tend to confuse even myself.

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#5 2009-04-14 12:04:50

edosan
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Re: Inexpensive flute amplification

One other possibility: Music stores often rent equipment like this.

Plugging a mic directly into an amp—any type of mic—is usually an iffy proposition. Impedance mismatch can squash the output.


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#6 2009-04-14 13:03:37

jaybeemusic
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Re: Inexpensive flute amplification

Hey brian....

Don't you OWN a company that makes amps?  I'm sure that you could rig up SOMETHING..   LOL

An acoustic amp usually has an XLR input on it.....some companies  (like Roland/boss)  have one with Phantom power as well.

besides i'm sure that there's more than one person on here who might be interested in purchasing one....  hint hint...

who knows.....it might pay for itself....

jacques


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#7 2009-04-14 13:49:10

BrianP
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Re: Inexpensive flute amplification

I am in the business of making harmonica amps that are geared towards tube distortion.  I used an SM57 with a hi impedance convertor to plug directly into the amp but it isn't quite what I am looking for.  Having a big mic in front of me while playing in a garden is something I was trying to avoid also.  I may just need to drop the money one time and get the equipment and then I'll have it.  All the more reason to get better.

Thanks,
Brian


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#8 2009-04-14 20:04:26

rpowers
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Re: Inexpensive flute amplification

edosan wrote:

You could probably use one of your amps, on its cleanest setting.

Hope this helps.

Clean channel?--harp amps?

Are you being rude intentionally?


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#9 2009-04-14 20:42:40

edosan
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Re: Inexpensive flute amplification

rpowers wrote:

edosan wrote:

You could probably use one of your amps, on its cleanest setting.

Hope this helps.

Clean channel?--harp amps?

Are you being rude intentionally?

No, sport, but apparently YOU are. Don't you have anything better to do than buzz around me like a no-see-um?

Last edited by edosan (2009-04-14 20:43:29)


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#10 2009-04-15 00:02:27

geni
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Re: Inexpensive flute amplification

hi Brian, i got a great setup for my live shakuhachi performances. I can be the Laudest guy in the band;-)

Toys are always cool. I would recomend this one http://www.tc-helicon.com/voicetonecreate.asp 
Its cheap too. easy to carry. it has phantom power also.

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#11 2009-04-16 01:51:33

BrianP
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Re: Inexpensive flute amplification

Geni, I am checking it out.  What mic do you use?  What are you plugging it into? What does it do that you really think makes it stand out?


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#12 2009-04-16 11:25:57

Taldaran
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From: Everett, Washington-USA
Registered: 2009-01-13
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Re: Inexpensive flute amplification

You might want to check out this amp. It is very flexible and sounds good in a variety of uses. I have run my electric banjo Direct in, acoustic electric guitar Direct in, and my electric when I go through my POD XTL if I want to jam and not use my regular stage amps and cabs, as well as used it as a small mono PA system.

https://www.carvinguitars.com/products/ … uct=AG100D

I have been using Carvin amps for years, and they are great!


Christopher

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#13 2009-04-16 13:50:47

dust
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From: Albion
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Re: Inexpensive flute amplification


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#14 2009-04-16 14:22:22

BrianP
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Re: Inexpensive flute amplification

Thanks Dust. I had seen that but I was looking for a mic that wasn't quite $500 without the wireless included.  I am sure it is awesome but not very inexpensive.  I may end up with one anyway but....


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#15 2009-04-16 19:32:50

geni
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From: Boston MA
Registered: 2005-12-21
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Re: Inexpensive flute amplification

hi Brian,
I use Country man E6. Its wired;-) around $250. I use Voiceworks for TCelectronik. They have great quality. My voceworks was around $500...but its heavy to carry around. VoiceCreate its light & cheaper.
You dont need wireles mic bro. Unless you are playing with Britney;-)

I love my mic. I use that in some great stages & the Sound Pros there love it.

give me a call later if you want more detailed info.

G

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#16 2009-04-18 16:52:49

BrianP
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From: Ocala, FL
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Re: Inexpensive flute amplification

Can anyone provide me a link for the E6 hardwired for $200?


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Brian's Shakuhachi Blog
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#17 2009-04-23 10:07:31

BrianP
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From: Ocala, FL
Registered: 2006-11-03
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Re: Inexpensive flute amplification

Luckily it turned out I didn't need any amplification at the performance but all the info helped and I am getting the stuff together now.  For pics and info on how the day went see my blog in the signature bar.

Thanks!


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