Mujitsu and Tairaku's Shakuhachi BBQ

Thanks Kiku,

This is written specifically for 1.8 (D) jinashi? That's what the pitch indicates but what about transposing it to other lengths? Could you also post a sound file of you or Simura playing it for reference?

Very nice of you and Yuji to post this for the masses!

BR

edosan wrote:

Tairaku wrote:

Thanks Kiku,

This is written specifically for 1.8 (D) jinashi? That's what the pitch indicates but what about transposing it to other lengths? Could you also post a sound file of you or Simura playing it for reference?

Very nice of you and Yuji to post this for the masses!

BR

Why transpose it? It's a solo piece. Just figure out the fingerings using a 1.8, and play it that way on any length flute. You transpose it, you'll change the fingerings, perhaps producing unintended voicings.

[that is a GREAT avatar, BTW...]

That's what I meant. Playing it with the same fingerings on different lengths. I find it a bit strange for a piece like this to be specified as jinashi 1.8 when a lot of those fingerings and effects will probably speak better on a longer flute. But some composers are extremely pitch specific. They don't want their stuff moved into different keys. So I thought I'd ask.

I found that avatar by using the search engine.

Josh wrote:

I'll see about getting a copy of the shakuhachi notation Shimura had, may take awhile though. He played the piece on a 2.8 made by Sogawa Kinya, beautiful sound. I don't think we need to worry about a specific length.

That's the beauty of shakuhachi notation. Composers don't understand that pitch notation is not ideal for shakuhachi. For solo works in particular.

Thank you Kiku. Very interesting piece.

later...

Tairaku wrote:

Could you also post a sound file of you or Simura playing it for reference?

I have a recording from the Southbank Centre concert in March, but the recording is not good enough - I feel - to put out in public. The mic was not good. But Yūji told me that the concert where Simura did the Japan premiere was recorded and scheduled to be released on CD in January. I think Simura played on a longer Kin'ya flute - 3.2 or something like that (I'm not sure). So we should at least have a good recording by then.
A little bit of information on the Japan premiere in Japanese: http://www.arttowermito.or.jp/music/mod … .php?id=32

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Ah, I think you are right, Tairaku.

I asked Yūji if he could send me a pdf of Sinubi in traditional shakuhachi notation and I got this reply:

dear kiku

i didn't make another notation for Simura nor did he.
if you want to make a score with traditional shakuhachi notation you may do it and i would post it on my website as well.
next year sometime they will make a cd of that concert when Simura played that piece.
for the moment i don't have the recordings.

yuji

Perhaps Simura made it himself....?

purehappiness wrote:

I would love to see it in traditional notation. I am lousy at reading western notation.

although this piece is in 5-line notation, it's actually kind of an interesting hybrid notation. the "western" lines and spaces give the "pitch", but then there's little lines and arrows and meri and kari and even finger-chart graphs to show the movement, no notes to show duration even, just increments marked by time.... just go thru one time and write the ro-tsu-re-chi-ri(or the fu-ho-u-e-ya; not to discriminate against chikuho!) katakana above them. not even very many notes to figure out. it's a little confusing at 1st glance, but if you play through it  it all makes sense.

i'm lousy at western too, but there are so many cool modern pieces only in western that it's worth forcing yourself to read it. i did for myself, but still have to write in the katakana- durn lines and spaces all look alike!

this particuar piece would of course fly nicely in honkyoku-type notation though....

Last edited by Glenn Swann (2009-11-05 06:47:22)

Glenn Swann wrote:

purehappiness wrote:

I would love to see it in traditional notation. I am lousy at reading western notation.

although this piece is in 5-line notation, it's actually kind of an interesting hybrid notation. the "western" lines and spaces give the "pitch", but then there's little lines and arrows and meri and kari and even finger-chart graphs to show the movement, no notes to show duration even, just increments marked by time.... just go thru one time and write the ro-tsu-re-chi-ri(or the fu-ho-u-e-ya; not to discriminate against chikuho!) katakana above them. not even very many notes to figure out. it's a little confusing at 1st glance, but if you play through it  it all makes sense.

i'm lousy at western too, but there are so many cool modern pieces only in western that it's worth forcing yourself to read it. i did for myself, but still have to write in the katakana- durn lines and spaces all look alike!

this particuar piece would of course fly nicely in honkyoku-type notation though....

I am going to inspect this closer.

Thanks

Kiku Day wrote:

I am off to Paris for the weekend! Yay!

Fax the Administrators of the Shakuhachi BBQ some escargot please!

More than a month and a half ago I promised to post a version of Sinubi, composed by Takahashi Yūji, in shakuhachi notation here on the Forum. I wrote the score quite a while ago and it was supposed to be looked through by some other players. But since time is passing I have will now post the 'raw' unaltered version.
I chose to use the Zensabō score because that is - after all - what I am most familiar with. Those of you who are interested in this score, you are of course welcome to ask questions about the notation. I might also chose to correct the notation just in case you see something that is not that clear.
If you need a pdf file of the Zensabō notation's fingering chart, let me know.

Each line has a duration of one minute. The first breath mark indicates the 40 second mark that Takahashi had written into the original score.

Have fun!



Still quite a beginner in this, but I hope this is a downloadable pdf file of Sinubi:

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/5393 … oscore.pdf

I just thought now that I might as well post the fingering chart as well:



Fingering chart as pdf:

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6135/f … bo2009.pdf

Last edited by Kiku Day (2009-12-23 03:01:02)

Kiku Day wrote:

More than a month and a half ago I promised to post a version of Sinubi, composed by Takahashi Yūji, in shakuhachi notation here on the Forum. I wrote the score quite a while ago and it was supposed to be looked through by some other players. But since time is passing I have will now post the 'raw' unaltered version.
I chose to use the Zensabō score because that is - after all - what I am most familiar with. Those of you who are interested in this score, you are of course welcome to ask questions about the notation. I might also chose to correct the notation just in case you see something that is not that clear.

I noticed that the margins on the Zensabo sheet for Sinubi are too small to print the page without cropping off some of the information, so I resized
the document, increasing the margins all around. Here's the link to get the PDF:

       http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7250 … reprnt.pdf

While I was at it, I also resized the Zensabo notation chart so that it prints to two pages, in order to make a 16 x 11 sheet when assembled.
Get the JPEGs here:

     Left: http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9610 … tlglft.jpg

     Right: http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8062 … rtlgrt.jpg

All the pages print quite well, at 150ppi.

Kiku Day wrote:

edosan wrote:

I noticed that the margins on the Zensabo sheet for Sinubi are too small to print the page without cropping off some of the information, so I resizedthe document, increasing the margins all around.

Thanks for this, Ed. A very valid point. I forget that the US does not use the international A4 size but letter size.
So for those in the US please use the pdf files Ed posted and for those in Europe, Japan and Oceania please use the pdf files I posted. Then we should all be ale to print the score and fingering chart out.

PS. I can't remember what paper size was used in Central and South America. But now you have the choices!

The The reason I resized the image of the Sinubi Zensabo notation on its page is because the written notation comes so close to the edge of
the page that cropping will occur. I don't think this is a function of A4 or US letter sized paper. Most printers won't print right to the edge of the page.

Pick one of each presented, print them, on any size paper, and I think you'll see the situation.

Last edited by edosan (2009-12-24 11:36:25)